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Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 04:10:00 -
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I can't believe I actually read all that. Holy crap do you have way too much time on your hands. I agree with every word of it though and CCP needs to take a look at this if they don't want Eve to go down in flames like post-CU/NGE Starwars Galaxy.
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:Can someone read this and give me a one-sentence summary? Carebear miners are winning the propaganda war with CCP and the game has been getting more carebear, particularly high sec. |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 04:53:00 -
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Alx Warlord wrote:I hate when ppl only like 1 part of the game and wants to ruin all the others... COEXIST!!! There are manny diferent playstyles, this is a sandbox... we don't blame nor judge you for killing deffenseless ships (maybe yes, we do) but if it is your play style, I just hope that you have fun, there is nothing that we can do about it... (and I hope your playstyle get nerfed by CCP again, as they increase mining barges tank, making lots of industrials happier and you more angry =D) ... Considering the OP, you're either the biggest idiot or the most genius troll ever born and I'm not sure which... |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 05:04:00 -
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EFF ONEF1 wrote:both sides are asking CCP to change/remove/nerf/buff they way the other side plays the game.
everyone is a hypocrite. No, actually. I agreed with the miners when they wanted better tanks for hulks. I also think high sec income should be nerfed severely. I haven't mined since the beginning of Eve, but when I did, I did it in a 0.2. I'm all for miners getting all the buffs they want. Believe it or not it's possible to be a miner who isn't a carebear. I'd love if they doubled the income from arkanor in fact. I do, however, want to nerf the **** out of carebears of all kinds and won't be happy until high sec income is appropriate for the newbie area that it is. |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 05:16:00 -
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Aqriue wrote: FYI, getting ganked by a Titan with non DD guns isn't much different then a hulk getting ganked. But look what happened...bitchwhines fixed the problem that the vast majority of those who couldn't HTFU and Adapt/Die by flying anything but a subcap.
So fly a titan or GTFO? Yeah makes sense. There won't be any more balance issues once everyone is flying the same ******* ship class. 
Edit: And **** newbies. The less accessible we make null the less carebears there will be. It's their own fault for not leaving character creation with 50 million SP. |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 05:41:00 -
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Yuki 0nna wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Yuki 0nna wrote:Insane and ugly from start to finish. How can people work themselves up to speak this way about other human beings, fellow players?
You all do know what it sounds way, way too much like, don't you? What it reeks of? Surprising the last section wasn't entitled "A Final Solution." News flash: being a care bear does not make you Jewish. But it can get you treated like one in the diatribes of this kind. This is emotionally, morally ugly stuff. The way he is speaking of fellow EVE players is repugnant, or should be to any mature adult. It's a game, first of all. Secondly, you guys are kinda being dicks. You brought it on yourselves.
GusHobbleton wrote:Yuki 0nna wrote:Insane and ugly from start to finish. How can people work themselves up to speak this way about other human beings, fellow players?
You all do know what it sounds way, way too much like, don't you? What it reeks of? Surprising the last section wasn't entitled "A Final Solution." yo imma let you finish but im invoking godwin's law up in here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 06:54:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: Id say tier three BCs with no tanks that have battleship guns.
STFU if you didn't read the OP. I know it seems intimidating if you have the attention span of a humming bird on speed, but it's only going to take like 10 minutes even if you read slow. |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:33:00 -
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Starting to get a little annoyed with the OP for forcing me to give likes to goon posts. It just goes to show what an awesome thread this is that it can even make idiots like them make good posts.
Lyrka Bloodberry wrote:I don't want to live on this planet anymore... I haven't wanted to since I was about 6 years old. 2012 has significantly less death rays, hover cars and mars colonies than I expected. |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:38:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:James 315 wrote:Evading wardecs has become part of the popular culture among highsec miners today. It is amusing that avoiding CONCORD is, to you, a clever tactic, while avoiding wardecs is, to you, an exploit. James 315 wrote:I soon discovered the real reason why many of these miners chose to continue mining, defenseless, during an active wardec. They used bots and/or proximity alerts that enabled them to immediately warp back to a station if a war target entered local. At first, I was puzzled by their ability to react so quickly. I was able to eliminate the possibility they were using watchlists--my main joined the warring corp shortly before entering the system. Nor were they scouting the gates, since there were usually multiple gates, no one present at them, and/or all of their corp members accounted for in the belt during the initial scouting. And it couldn't have been that they were merely monitoring local for people with the war target tag, since the systems often had as many as 100-200 pilots. So a miner who mines while semi-AFK should be paying more attention: but paying more attention means that they are a bot? I understand. That is the kind of rhetoric we see frequently from people wanting to rationalize their suicide ganking as a service to the people of New Eden. No, reacting instantly to someone's presence in local with 200 people in the system makes them a bot. |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:49:00 -
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Heathkit wrote:I always imagined Eve would be the kind of game where industrialists hire mercenaries to blockade the competition, but instead it's infested with people who just want to build up a massive cache of ships without interacting with anyone. My mining corp in beta found a nice dead end system without much traffic and a pirate corp living in it. We made them free stuff for not killing us and their presence kept people away from our asteroids when we weren't online (back when they actually ran out and didn't respawn for a week). That's kinda the same thing I guess? |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 08:02:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Heathkit wrote: Whatever game that was that "James 315" played back in 2006, it must have been really special to inspire such passion. I hope I see that game again someday.
Too bad what he says is just a fraction of the truth, the part that proves his points. 0.0 became crap because of all other factors. Drone regions and their insane economy screwup. Introduction of ships able to make the old 0.0 logistics convoys obsolete. When you kill logistic convoys you kill a lot of collateral content. Insanely easy force-projection made it pointless to have to invest a ton into creating and staying in a certain place. Original hi sec L4s drained ISK making out of 0.0. Miners did not play any role in this, they were naturally driven out of 0.0 because it was just so much better to bot-gun mine with no risk. And I've been complaining about jump freighters, jump bridges and anything else with jump in the name just as much as I have about carebears. |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 08:06:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote: It is amusing to see people who do everything they can to avoid losses complaining when they suffer losses. When you exploit a game mechanic to inflict losses in defiance of a game mechanic designed to control the level of loss you inflict, you should be expecting that exploit to get nerfed.
You have it backwards. Carebears do everything they can to avoid losses. Suicide gankers have a profession that by definition makes them lose ships constantly. |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 08:13:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:[quote=Stirko Hek]Any such mechanism will necessarily allow PvP-averse players to avoid wardecs, which is an acceptable contingency. An acceptable contingency for me to poop on. |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 08:19:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Corbin Blair wrote:And I've been complaining about jump freighters, jump bridges and anything else with jump in the name just as much as I have about carebears. Imo hi sec is the worst feature ever. Other PvP games don't have this crap. Cynos, bridges etc. are just garbage to avoid PVP and killed one of the main factors of risk in low and 0.0 sec. Hi sec is garbage to avoid PvP. Wardecs are garbage because they add on the garbage which is hi sec. Suicide ganks are still garbage because they are another patch to hi sec. In particular, hi sec introduced risk averse victims but also risk averse PvPers. I am sure that if they removed hi sec, then the risk averse PvPers would stay permadocked and cry as much as their targets. I agree. My favorite MMO was Shadowbane. No more safe zone after the low levels. That's what high sec should be. Something to protect you while you learn the controls and stuff like that. You should have to leave after you're not a newbie anymore. |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 08:27:00 -
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FastJack316 wrote:Cynos and titanbridges are a huge source of risk in 0.0, though. It's a hell of a lot harder to be immune to the risk of a hotdrop than putting a scout in neighboring systems. They allow you to 100% safely bypass gate camps. Hotdrops are yet more risk avoidance by people who can't handle engaging unless they can jump it about 5000% more backup than needed.
FastJack316 wrote:And if it wasn't for titanbridges and jump bridge networks we couldn't go roaming in Cobalt Edge halfway across eve while drunk and Deklein couldn't play host to roaming gangs from everywhere all the time. There isn't enough stuff or people in 0.0 to justify 'expanding' it by increasing travel time and even if you could you'd be removing conflict generators in doing so. They allow you to blob up your entire massive alliance almost instantly. I shouldn't even have to explain why that's a bad thing, but I'll give you a hint anyway. Notice how 0.0 is dominated by a few massive alliances now? It didn't used to be. It used to have more smaller groups. Cause, you know, they could come and take some space without a 1000 man instablob teleporting in. |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 08:43:00 -
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FastJack316 wrote:Corbin Blair wrote:Notice how 0.0 is dominated by a few massive alliances now? It didn't used to be. It used to have more smaller groups. Cause, you know, they could come and take some space without a 1000 man instablob teleporting in. When I first joined EVE in 2007, five years ago, 0.0 was dominated by a handful of ******* enormous coalitions, so if you're appealing to some glorious pre-cyno balkanized nullsec I actually have no idea what it may have been like. Even without titanbridges we still blobbed the **** out of everything possible all the time, we just spent ten times as long travelling to the fight and we'd hope the node didn't crash. And thanks to taking ten times as long people like my little corp could go out there and and do stuff without having people pull 200 caps out of their ass. Now you either bring a fleet capable of taking on the big alliances or join them. |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 08:49:00 -
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FastJack316 wrote:Corbin Blair wrote: And thanks to taking ten times as long people like my little corp could go out there and and do stuff without having people pull 200 caps out of their ass.
Frankly **** your ten man corp if means making the game miserable for my 8000 man corp. This isn't a point we're going to agree on, obviously, but I'm much happier with it being far more enjoyable to fight other giant coalitions at the expense of tiny corps not being able to take space. I'm pretty sure wormhole space was made explicitly for the purpose of smaller corps having an opportunity to settle a frontier with unique, highly profitable resources that a tightly knit small group would have a dramatic advantage over, so I don't feel bad about 0.0 not being that place and don't think there's any reason for CCP to make it that place. Cause it's so fun living out of a POS. Let me build an outpost and maybe I'll give a **** about wormholes. |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 09:11:00 -
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Kestrix wrote:Thats wrong, Null sec mining does happen and is very profitable. Says the guy in the high sec corp. |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 23:22:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Siobhan MacLeary wrote: Yes, AFK mining and botting are repugnant - EVE is a game you play actively, to most folk, and those who bot or AFK mine are playing this game in bad faith. But we're still playing the same game - still living in the same universe.
The fun thing is that years ago I tried joining multiple 0.0 corps for mining and all of them refused. They only accepted pure PvP players, only 2-3 directors allowed to do industry. Then today I read how bad are miners who don't go to 0.0, figures. I really doubt anyone would mind you mining in your free time. I think they were just worried that when space needed defending you wouldn't help out. If you're a miner who doesn't mind doing some PvP when the alliance needs it I don't see why they wouldn't want you. |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.28 00:01:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Going back to a post I made earlier about how I would love to move my PVE operations to lo/null, are there actually any corps/alliances based in these areas that would welcome a PVE player who wants to continue with PVE, has no experience of PVP but would be willing to learn even if it's only as cannon fodder/hero tackle? Or am I still a worthless pubbie who deserves to die in a fire?  Yes, yes there are. My last null corp had a guy that could barely fly a BC. I myself joined it when that character was about a month old and could also barely fly a bc. We joined at about the same time and were the corp "newbies" together, although I had experience already and just had a new character. He was completely new at the game, but both of us were out on PvP roams with them in under a week after joining. They even let me use thoraxes at first because I didn't want to have to replace more expensive ships yet and we were too small to have a reimbursement policy. On nights where we did group PvE in the complexes they even let the two of us newbies keep the salvage for ourselves. It was our job to kill the cruisers and frigates to save the battleships the annoyance of trying to hit them. The only thing keeping you from going to 0.0 is yourself. Hell even goons accept newbies in frigates as long as they hang out on the something awful forum.
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Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.28 00:07:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I thought this was probably the case but hoped otherwise, last time I was looking in the recruitment channel the only response I got from a nullsec entity was a GSF recruiter who said that PVE wasn't a problem, as soon as I saw GSF my reply was that I didn't have a 500 million security deposit and I'd move my own stuff the convo kind of died.
They only recruit people from the something awful forum. The "security deposit" is a scam. There's usually at least a post a day in crime and punishment from some stupid victim who didn't google the alliance and didn't read their wiki, where it states that the deposit is a scam and gives the real instructions for joining. |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.28 00:11:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Corbin Blair wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Going back to a post I made earlier about how I would love to move my PVE operations to lo/null, are there actually any corps/alliances based in these areas that would welcome a PVE player who wants to continue with PVE, has no experience of PVP but would be willing to learn even if it's only as cannon fodder/hero tackle? Or am I still a worthless pubbie who deserves to die in a fire?  Yes, yes there are. My last null corp had a guy that could barely fly a BC. I myself joined it when that character was about a month old and could also barely fly a bc. We joined at about the same time and were the corp "newbies" together, although I had experience already and just had a new character. He was completely new at the game, but both of us were out on PvP roams with them in under a week after joining. They even let me use thoraxes at first because I didn't want to have to replace more expensive ships yet and we were too small to have a reimbursement policy. On nights where we did group PvE in the complexes they even let the two of us newbies keep the salvage for ourselves. It was our job to kill the cruisers and frigates to save the battleships the annoyance of trying to hit them. The only thing keeping you from going to 0.0 is yourself. Hell even goons accept newbies in frigates as long as they hang out on the something awful forum. His question seems more focused on PvE'ers and industrialist that new players. I thought my answer made it clear that if a month old newbie with less SP and knowledge of the game can go to 0.0 then it should be extremely easy for an experienced PvE player. I meant it as a "if he can do it so can you" kind of thing. I was trying to show that people are quite accommodating and helpful as long as you show a willingness to learn and participate.
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I know this, I pre-empted the scam attempt as soon as I did a check info on the recruiter.
I misunderstood then, my bad. Couldn't tell that you knew from your post. |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.28 00:27:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:- If you want to join a 0.0 corp as PvEer you are seen as worthless garbage.
He said he was willing to learn to PvP. Most people don't have a problem with PvE. It's not like nullbears don't PvE all the time themselves. What they have a problem with is people refusing to pull their own weight and sit there and mine while everyone else is out dying.
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: - If you want to join a 0.0 corp as industrialist they tell "lol we already have indy alts nor we'll give you access to the POSes".
- If you want to join a 0.0 corp as miner they tell you "LOL no we don't want botters".
Join a different corp then. They sound like muppets anyway. You're obviously not going to get POS access on day one in any corp though for security reasons.
Tyberius Franklin wrote: Maybe I'm misreading the intent of the question then. What I'm seeing is a question of "If my primary activities are not PvP, am I welcome by people who live in PvP space?" This is considerably different from asking, "I'm new, can I PvP with you guys?"
It did specifically say that he was willing to learn PvP. |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.28 00:32:00 -
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Merivel Mar wrote:I didn't read this crap but I have a question... Ever seen The Mattani Naked? If I did it would be on youtube. :P
Borsek wrote:What are you OP, some kind of EvE Breivik? Stick your manifestos where the sun don't shine, you backwards inbred lunatic. Spewing random insults at a well written post without offering any counterpoint or actual opinion of your own doesn't make him look like an inbred lunatic. |

Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.28 02:38:00 -
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What are you supposed to be anyway, my good twin? |
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